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	<description>The blog of sinner trying desperately to become a saint and a geek trying to become an uber-geek.  What a combination.</description>
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		<title>By: Shell</title>
		<link>http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/2009/02/why-do-priests-wear-black/comment-page-1/#comment-5700</link>
		<dc:creator>Shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Keith&#039;s first assessment. They wear black because it&#039;s slimming. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Keith&#8217;s first assessment. They wear black because it&#8217;s slimming. <img src='http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: frival</title>
		<link>http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/2009/02/why-do-priests-wear-black/comment-page-1/#comment-5427</link>
		<dc:creator>frival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mary Jo.  Indeed, explaining how and why something like this developed over the course of centuries in a single blog post is an exercise in what information you don&#039;t include. :)  Somehow I think an entire book could be written on this topic, although I&#039;m not sure how wide a readership it would get...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mary Jo.  Indeed, explaining how and why something like this developed over the course of centuries in a single blog post is an exercise in what information you don&#8217;t include. <img src='http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Somehow I think an entire book could be written on this topic, although I&#8217;m not sure how wide a readership it would get&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mary Jo Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/2009/02/why-do-priests-wear-black/comment-page-1/#comment-5370</link>
		<dc:creator>mary Jo Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello I appreciate the article you have posted and here is a little bit I have gleaned from my love of history. 

About  the general rule of color(s) in clothing in the years between 700 and 1600 AD... at times there were restirctions on who could wear what colors, by  social class. Its a  very general reason that monks who leaving the &#039;attachements&#039; of the world took brown or black for their most common color or prehaps the natural color of the fibre... White, red, purple and black were for centuries restricted to the nobles and upper gentry...At a time when &#039;favor&#039; with the Church (or rather the local clergy of liberal and /or morality and greed instinct) could be  bought with 
&#039;gifts to the church, or at times the designation of a son or daughter, to the dedication of sacred life. So, the clothing rules often followed them into their new and humble life of service( noting that in later years the more vows a person took the more restrictive the attire and dress code)... remember I am condensing over 800 years.  In some bastions of the faith it was desiginated by rank in the ecclesiastical format that certain yet still noble colors would/could be assigned and given signifigance. The whims and reasonings of various Papal persona also playing a part.   The Pope in order to be identified would commonly wear bleached and pureset whites possible, in the best available textiles. Others would wear red or a purpley aramanth (red family but distict from cardinal or royal red.) the pastors of the  congregants who were most in contact with the people would wear black, it was lovely and modest and suitable  and identifiable to the task at hand... all this helped the literate and the illiterate immedialty identify various  levels of the clergy...and as you stated above it&#039;s not a hard fast rule... but rests more to the particul vows and society of, and geographic location of, the wearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello I appreciate the article you have posted and here is a little bit I have gleaned from my love of history. </p>
<p>About  the general rule of color(s) in clothing in the years between 700 and 1600 AD&#8230; at times there were restirctions on who could wear what colors, by  social class. Its a  very general reason that monks who leaving the &#8216;attachements&#8217; of the world took brown or black for their most common color or prehaps the natural color of the fibre&#8230; White, red, purple and black were for centuries restricted to the nobles and upper gentry&#8230;At a time when &#8216;favor&#8217; with the Church (or rather the local clergy of liberal and /or morality and greed instinct) could be  bought with<br />
&#8216;gifts to the church, or at times the designation of a son or daughter, to the dedication of sacred life. So, the clothing rules often followed them into their new and humble life of service( noting that in later years the more vows a person took the more restrictive the attire and dress code)&#8230; remember I am condensing over 800 years.  In some bastions of the faith it was desiginated by rank in the ecclesiastical format that certain yet still noble colors would/could be assigned and given signifigance. The whims and reasonings of various Papal persona also playing a part.   The Pope in order to be identified would commonly wear bleached and pureset whites possible, in the best available textiles. Others would wear red or a purpley aramanth (red family but distict from cardinal or royal red.) the pastors of the  congregants who were most in contact with the people would wear black, it was lovely and modest and suitable  and identifiable to the task at hand&#8230; all this helped the literate and the illiterate immedialty identify various  levels of the clergy&#8230;and as you stated above it&#8217;s not a hard fast rule&#8230; but rests more to the particul vows and society of, and geographic location of, the wearer.</p>
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		<title>By: frival</title>
		<link>http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/2009/02/why-do-priests-wear-black/comment-page-1/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>frival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very interesting, because I&#039;ve also read that black is a very difficult dye to make and only came about relatively recently.  Perhaps that is a misunderstanding because today we have more &quot;perfect&quot; black dyes whereas back then they may have been willing to have something that&#039;s not quite as perfectly black.  Not being a dye specialist I don&#039;t know one way or the other, but I &lt;i&gt;am&lt;/i&gt; glad you brought up that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very interesting, because I&#8217;ve also read that black is a very difficult dye to make and only came about relatively recently.  Perhaps that is a misunderstanding because today we have more &#8220;perfect&#8221; black dyes whereas back then they may have been willing to have something that&#8217;s not quite as perfectly black.  Not being a dye specialist I don&#8217;t know one way or the other, but I <i>am</i> glad you brought up that point.</p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 14:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In answer to Cal, while black may be the most utilitarian (and may, to us, seem austere) my understanding was that in 15th and 16th century Europe, black dyes were difficult to obtain and expensive. The Spanish nobility, especially Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille, who united Spain, held a corner on the market of black dyes from the orient. So, it was quite &quot;fa-fa-fa&quot; as a priest I know would say, to wear black at that time.

I think grays have always been the most utilitarian dyes because one needn&#039;t use too much to achieve a shade of gray, whereas black would require a lot of dye and white a lot of bleach.

Just my 3 cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In answer to Cal, while black may be the most utilitarian (and may, to us, seem austere) my understanding was that in 15th and 16th century Europe, black dyes were difficult to obtain and expensive. The Spanish nobility, especially Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castille, who united Spain, held a corner on the market of black dyes from the orient. So, it was quite &#8220;fa-fa-fa&#8221; as a priest I know would say, to wear black at that time.</p>
<p>I think grays have always been the most utilitarian dyes because one needn&#8217;t use too much to achieve a shade of gray, whereas black would require a lot of dye and white a lot of bleach.</p>
<p>Just my 3 cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal</title>
		<link>http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/2009/02/why-do-priests-wear-black/comment-page-1/#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Cal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your theology is correct but that the real reason black developed was that, simply, in medieval times this is what was most practical. It is easiest and cheapest to dye it that color: no matter what color the sheep is, or how stained or worn the cloth gets, chunking it into a dye bath designed to make it black and formless is easiest.

I wish I could give you a reference for this, but I&#039;ve encountered it over and over again in my reading regarding medieval monasticism (overwhelmingly the largest number of clerics for centuries). I suspect that what was easiest, cheapest and practical was also seen as imbued with theological value (humility, etc, and all that). Brighter colors only came along when affordable (which bishops and those with higher-paying benefices generally had).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your theology is correct but that the real reason black developed was that, simply, in medieval times this is what was most practical. It is easiest and cheapest to dye it that color: no matter what color the sheep is, or how stained or worn the cloth gets, chunking it into a dye bath designed to make it black and formless is easiest.</p>
<p>I wish I could give you a reference for this, but I&#8217;ve encountered it over and over again in my reading regarding medieval monasticism (overwhelmingly the largest number of clerics for centuries). I suspect that what was easiest, cheapest and practical was also seen as imbued with theological value (humility, etc, and all that). Brighter colors only came along when affordable (which bishops and those with higher-paying benefices generally had).</p>
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		<title>By: frival</title>
		<link>http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/2009/02/why-do-priests-wear-black/comment-page-1/#comment-92</link>
		<dc:creator>frival</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, well, there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; that, too. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, well, there <i>is</i> that, too. <img src='http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always thought it was because black was slimming. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought it was because black was slimming. <img src='http://ubipetrus.4rivals.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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